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Oct092009

easy as...pie?

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Last Thursday at approximately 12:00pm I learned of the C’ville Pie Fest. Upon reading Jenée’s tweet about the event, I quickly sent an inquiry to the organizers, asking if I could join in the fun. They said “yes!”, I rejoiced...and then I panicked. I had 48 hours until the tasting and judgement and no idea what to make.

A couple of frantic emails later, I had a plan. The Italian Plum Cake I’d made the weekend before had been a huge success in our household and with the friends we’d shared it with - why not turn that cake into a pie? The flavors were spot-on, I just needed to find a good pie crust to modify and a reliable ratio of raw fruit to sugar to thickener for the filling. Easy as pie, right?

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I told myself that there was a reason for that expression and that, despite my lack of knowledge of pie baking, the task at hand was really a simple one. I had Thursday night to make two test pies trying out two different crust recipes and two different filling combinations, Friday evening to make a final test pie using the knowledge I gained from my first two pies and Friday night to assemble and bake my final entry. No problem.

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I found two reliable sources for the base pie crust (or, pâte brisée) recipes, Martha Stewart and Julia of Mélanger (who just experimented with various pastries during the month of August on her lovely blog), and got to work planning my own modifications. Because pie doesn’t lend itself to the sprinkling of almonds across its top as cake does, I decided to substitute some ground almonds for a portion of the flour in each crust recipe. I also added a healthy heap of lemon zest because, lets be honest, everything is better with a little citrus. Seriously.

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For the filling, I found a handy ratio in Joy of Cooking.
5 cups raw fruit
3/4 cup sugar
3 tbsp thickener (if using flour or cornstarch, 1-1/2 tbsp if using tapioca)

The exact measurements vary a bit based on the sweetness and juiciness of your fruit, and because my plums were quite juicy I made adjustments accordingly. Or so I thought. Both initial pies became miniature swimming pools in my oven, so full of juice that at one point I was using a turkey baster to pull as much liquid out as possible. They sat on the counter overnight and thickened a tiny bit, but not enough to count. The bottom crust was still soggy and there was no hope of a slice holding together as you removed it from the pie dish, let alone once you slid it onto a plate.

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But still, Friday morning Brian helped me carry the two pies (one apple-plum, one pure plum), a server, plates and forks to our office, where I received feedback from seven more people. We all agreed on the too much juice issue, but opinions varied on the preferred crust and filling. In the end, I went with my preference (and luckily Brian’s too, whose palate I trust implicitly) and advice from Tara, who always comes through in matters involving taste and technique. Over lunch I went home to rewrite my recipe and make dough for that evening’s test pie.

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I was so convinced that the third test pie would be a winner. So convinced. We invited a couple of friends over for the final testing and pulled the lattice-topped beauty out of the oven to great fanfare and raised glasses. We let it sit on the stovetop for an hour, until we could stand the wait no longer, and then dug in. And the pie was soggy. And less cohesive than the first two pies had been. And I had no more ideas about how to fix it.

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By this point it was 11:30pm, 12 hours before I was supposed to be at the Pie Fest with pies in hand. We were all exhausted after long weeks at our jobs, but sat around the dining table for 30 minutes hashing out the potential issues and solutions.  Our friends left and Brian and I sat across from each other on the couch, glassy-eyed and covered in flour, as I debated whether or not to stay up all night baking pies that might not be contest-worthy.  And then we went to bed.  Pie-less.

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As I mentioned previously, the C'ville Pie Fest experience was fantastic.  Even without my own entry.  Not only did I meet new friends AND win a raffle (I NEVER win raffles!) I learned a lot about fruit pie.  Namely that its messy, and meant to be that way.

Not one to take personal failure easily, I continued to brainstorm possible solutions to my runny pie issues before, during and after the contest.  And, lucky for me, I have a husband who is very good at reconnaissance missions.  Brian scored an important piece of information about raw fruit pies for me while we were at the Fest last Saturday...use tapioca as a thickener instead of corn starch.  Of course.  Had I not been completely exhausted the night before (and had tapioca in my pantry) I might have remembered that I use tapioca for my cranberry apple pie at Thanksgiving.  Works like a charm.

And so, finally, pie number four was a winner.  The filling was perfectly cohesive, the crust delightfully flakey, the flavors incredibly delicious.  If only I'd had one more day for testing...

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The use of tapioca wasn't the only important lesson learned in this process, either through my own experimentation or from the numerous websites and cookbooks I consulted.  Below is a list of points about raw fruit pies that I plan to never forget, and I hope that you all will chime in with any lessons of your own.

Important Points for Raw Fruit Pies
Freeze your chopped butter for at least 15 minutes before adding it to your flour to form your pie crust dough.

Add the water to your pie crust dough in small batches, to ensure that you don't add too much.  The final dough should be soft and supple, but not tacky.

Use a glass baking dish, not the disposable aluminum dishes you find at the grocery store.

Use tapioca as a thickener instead of cornstarch, especially for very juicy fruits like plums and berries.

Once the filling is in the pie crust, you want to top the pie and get it into the oven as soon as possible to prevent the uncooked bottom crust from getting soggy.

Egg wash works better than milk or water to achieve a lovely golden, shiny crust.

Bake the pie in the lowest part of your oven, so that the bottom of the crust is cooked thoroughly.  This is another good reason to use a glass baking dish - you can see the color of the crust as it bakes.

Don't pull the pie out of the oven until the filling is bubbling thickly through the lattice or vent holes.  When you think it is ready, give it five more minutes, just to be sure.

Bake the pie the day before you plan to eat it.  The filling will thicken as it comes to room temperature overnight. I prefer to eat pie at room temperature, but if you want to heat it before serving do so in its baking dish in the oven.

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Sugar Plum Pie with Lemon Almond Crust

crust adapted from Martha Stewart and Mélanger, filling adapted from Joy of Cooking

for the crust...

  • 2 cups all-purpose flour

  • 1/2 cup finely ground almonds or almond flour

  • 1/4 cup sugar

  • 1/2 tsp salt

  • zest of 1 lemon

  • 1/2 pound of unsalted butter (2 sticks)

  • 3 tbsp fresh lemon juice

  • 1 egg

  • 1-2 tbsp ice water, as needed

  • an egg and 1 tbsp of water, whisked together, for an egg wash after assembly

  • 2 tbsp turbinado sugar, to sprinkle on top of assembled pie


for the filling...

  • 5 cups of Italian plums, quartered

  • zest of 1 lemon

  • 1 tbsp fresh lemon juice

  • 3/4 cup sugar

  • 2-3 tbsp quick-cooking tapioca (depending on the juiciness of your fruit - Italian plums (also called sugar plums) are VERY juicy, so I used 3 tbsp)


method

  1. Chop your butter into 1/2 inch cubes.  Place on a plate and put in the freezer for at least 15 minutes.

  2. In an electric mixer with paddle attachment, stir together your flour, ground almonds, sugar, salt and lemon zest.  Add the chopped butter and mix on low speed for 2-3 minutes, until most of the butter pieces are the size of peas.  If there are any larger pieces remaining, pinch them between your fingers to break them up.

  3. Whisk together the lemon juice and egg.  Pour into flour mixture all at once, mixing on low speed as you pour.  Dough should start to come together in small clumps.  Add ice water as needed, a bit at a time.  You should be able to pick up a few small clumps of dough and pinch them together to form a larger ball, this is how you'll know it is ready.

  4. Form dough into two equal balls, then flatten each ball into a disk about 1-inch thick.  Wrap each disk in plastic wrap and refrigerate for at least one hour.

  5. When you're ready to assemble the pie, preheat your oven to 425*.  Pull one dough disk out of your refrigerator and let sit on the counter for 5 minutes, so that it will be a little easier to work with.  Generously flour a silpat or piece of parchment paper and turn dough out onto it.  Flour the top of the dough and then roll out to a 14-inch circle about 1/8-inch thick.  Place dough in glass baking dish, pressing bottom down into corners of dish and letting dough overhang edges of dish by at least 1/2-inch.  Refrigerate.

  6. Repeat with second dough disk, but before refrigerating the rolled-out dough, cut it into strips 3/4-inch thick for the lattice top.  Refrigerate.

  7. Place your chopped plums in a large bowl and toss with 1 tbsp lemon juice.  In a small bowl, mix together the tapioca, sugar and lemon zest.  Pour over fruit and mix well to coat.

  8. Pull pie dish with dough out of refrigerator.  Pour fruit mixture into pie dish.  Assemble lattice on top of pie as quickly as possible (photos above).  Brush crust with egg wash and sprinkle with turbinado sugar.

  9. Bake at 425* on the lowest rack in the oven for 30 minutes.  Turn oven down to 350*, move pie up one rack, place a baking sheet on rack below pie and bake for an additional 30-45 minutes, until top of pie if deep, golden brown and filling is bubbling thickly between the lattice.  If it seems like your pie crust is going to burn, you can tent it with foil to slow down the process.

  10. Remove pie from oven and let cool overnight before serving.  When completely cool, cover with aluminum foil or plastic wrap.  Pie should keep for 3 days on the counter.


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Reader Comments (31)

The pie turned out GORGEOUS! . The color of the plum filling is beautiful, as is the lattice crust.

Thanks for the pie-baking points... I love to bake, but my arsenal of recipes is more on the cookies/bread/end of the spectrum. Now that I'm armed with useful tips, I'll have to venture into pie territory :).

10.9.2009 | Unregistered CommenterLauren

Just beautiful, Andrea! You've got quite a way with a lattice ...

10.9.2009 | Unregistered CommenterKristin

Beautiful pie, lady! You really are quite talented both in the camera and in the kitchen!

10.9.2009 | Unregistered CommenterMica

I am so glad that you were able to recover these pictures because they are beautiful!

Great pie recipe. The crust sounds fantastic.

10.9.2009 | Unregistered Commenterwhitneyinchicago

That pie looks perfect. You really labored to get the kinks out and now we're the beneficiaries.

10.9.2009 | Unregistered CommenterCiaochowlinda

Two years ago I took on making all the pies for Thanksgiving, without having ever made a pie. :/

Martha Stewart was definitely my go to crust recipe as well. Your pies sure do look pretty though! I will have to try your tapioca method, my apple pie was the only one that was a complete disaster. Haven't done a fruit pie since. ;)

10.9.2009 | Unregistered CommenterBekah

Tapioca! Why didn't we think of that?

(That sound you hear is me smacking myself soundly in the forehead.)

Wonderful tips; I'll be keeping them in mind as I make your pie crust for our Thanksgiving pies this weekend. Yours is just gorgeous.

10.9.2009 | Unregistered Commentertara

Goooorgeous! I would have never guessed to used tapioca. Shows what I know about pie baking!

Your blog is such inspiration for me.. now I want to go bake a pie!

10.9.2009 | Unregistered CommenterNicole

Loved reading this post - it could have been written by me, because I always think everything I make is going to come our perfect every time!

My secret to a flakey crust - I keep butter in the freezer - I grate the frozen butter in my food processor, then back into the freezer until I am ready to use it.

Happy Friday! And that last pie? Definitely insulin worthy! :D

10.9.2009 | Unregistered Commenterbiz319

What a gorgeous pie!!! I really need to buy some pastry tools, so I can make pretty crusts like that :-)

10.9.2009 | Unregistered Commenterfitforfree

This pie looks perfect, just the right balance between refined and rustic. I need to practice my pie making skills, they are not up to par.

10.9.2009 | Unregistered CommenterFrenchie

I know 2 very hungry people in your neighborhood that wouldn't be against sampling pie ;) ...or a pie party!

The pie looks absolutely phenomenal! I am definitely going to the Cville Pie Fest next year! You are like the 10th person who has told me how great it was!!

10.9.2009 | Unregistered CommenterJess

lovely, lovely post. and the pie!! oh my...so utterly gorgeous!!

10.9.2009 | Unregistered Commenterkms

Looks delicious. How much butter is needed?

10.9.2009 | Unregistered CommenterCandice

Candice - Thank you for noticing that I left out the butter! The dough calls for 2 sticks. It was late last night when I typed up the recipe... :)

My grandma's apple pie recipe calls for tapioca. I always thought it was her little secret ingredient. I'm glad you let the secret out though, it is definitely the best way to thicken fruit pies....

Your beautiful pictures are testimony! It looks delicious!

Gorge. I hope I can find some good fruit at the market to try this 'un out.

Question about the crust: did you consider par-baking it? Why or why not?

10.11.2009 | Unregistered CommenterWiggs

BEAUTIFUL! Give me a buzz next time you need a sample panel. :D

10.12.2009 | Unregistered CommenterChristina

Oh my gosh, maybe that's what I should try with my sour cherry pie!! it was so runny... i'll do that next year :)

This looks fabulous!

10.12.2009 | Unregistered CommenterShannon

well i'm glad you finally got it right. and proved the "third time's a charm" cliche wrong.

10.12.2009 | Unregistered Commenteractorsdiet

Wiggs - I did consider par-baking the crust, but because I wanted to top the pie with a lattice I didn't have that as an option. If the bottom crust is prebaked, you have no raw dough to pinch your lattice too. That is why a lot of people will cut out shapes to lay across the top of a fruit pie filling, so that they don't have to worry about pinching the top to the bottom and can still be insured a crispy bottom crust. Thanks for asking! I should have mentioned that in the post...

Ah-HA! I knew there would be a good reason.

10.12.2009 | Unregistered CommenterWiggs

OMG, that pie has me DROOOOLING all over the keyboard! BIG YUM! (and thanks for the shout out :)

10.13.2009 | Unregistered CommenterLibby

My tips is I cook the fruit filling a bit on the stovetop with the sugar, lemon, spices to get some of the water out. I then precook the pie crust a bit too to avoid soginess. Pie looks great btw.

10.14.2009 | Unregistered CommenterKathleen

Now THIS is the meticulous Andrea I know! Beautiful website and very thorough! It was great seeing you and getting to taste your two trial pies, though I'm sorry to hear you didn't participate in the competition...next year you're gonna blow 'em out of the water! Looking forward to your upcoming posts! xoxo, Josh.

10.14.2009 | Unregistered CommenterJosh

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